tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14624038.post113685193477413822..comments2023-09-05T08:55:56.301+00:00Comments on On Earth as in Heaven: Beyond belief?Stevehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04475918926743850643noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14624038.post-1147278947086530232006-05-10T16:35:00.000+00:002006-05-10T16:35:00.000+00:00Paul is clear that 'the last Adam became a life-gi...Paul is clear that 'the last Adam became a life-giving spirit', and that the natural body is made of a different material to a spiritual body.<BR/><BR/>The flesh and the spirit are not saved together in Pauls' thought, as 1 Corinthians 5:5 makes clear.<BR/><BR/>Paul would have shared the view of the author of 1 Peter, who wrote 'All flesh is grass.' He also did not believe that flesh would be saved.<BR/><BR/>I recently debated the resurrection of Jesus on Premier Christian Radio.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Some thoughts on what Paul means can be found at http://stevencarrwork.blogspot.com/2006/03/resurrection-of-jesus.htmlSteven Carrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11983601793874190779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14624038.post-1147278576140689262006-05-10T16:29:00.000+00:002006-05-10T16:29:00.000+00:003 Corinthians is a forged letter found in the Acts...3 Corinthians is a forged letter found in the Acts of Paul.<BR/><BR/>It is basically a rewrite of 1 Corinthians 15, where the fake Paul is made to affirm a belief in the resurrection of corpses.Steven Carrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11983601793874190779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14624038.post-1147266283425846032006-05-10T13:04:00.000+00:002006-05-10T13:04:00.000+00:00Steveinterested to know the background to your und...Steve<BR/><BR/>interested to know the background to your understanding of the Corinthian and Thessalnican Churches and Paul's Corinthain correspondence.<BR/><BR/>there is certianly debate about the 2 letters scrioture contains because of the 'lost' letter that Paul might be refereing to in 2 Corinthians. some think that 2 Corinthians is a composite of two different letters with this 'lost' letter as part of it. i have not come accross suggestions though that a large section of 1 Corinthians is a 3rd letter as you seem to be suggesting. the only section i am awre of that is seriously problematic is the bit about wives and husbands where the crucial bit can be found at different place sin different manuscripts. so until i see good evidence to believe otherwise i think chapter 15 on the bodily resurrection is likely to be authentic Paul. he did of course talk of Spiritual bodies as opposed to earthly bodies but with Paul's usuall use of those phrases i think he is talking about the 'holiness/fullness' of those bodies not their tangebility. the language though is not totally clear. why are you intetested in this BTW?Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04475918926743850643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14624038.post-1147206221168690022006-05-09T20:23:00.000+00:002006-05-09T20:23:00.000+00:00If you want to meet people where they are, I am qu...If you want to meet people where they are, I am quite happy to set up a blog where we can discuss aspects of Christianity.<BR/><BR/>For example, it is very interesting that very early Christian churches, such as those in Thessalonica and Corinth, simply did not believe in bodily resurrection, and thought that the dead were lost.<BR/><BR/>How can this be, if they were evangelised with tales of resurrected Jesus eating fish , and tales of Moses returning from the grave to appear to the disciples?<BR/><BR/>To refute the earliest Chrostian beliefs, Paul never gives any examples of people being raised bodily from the dead, and states flat-out about Jesus - 'the last Adam became a life-giving spirit'.<BR/><BR/>In an amusing twist on the Da Vinci story, 2nd century Christians had to forge a rewrite of 1 Corinthians 15 (called 3 Corinthians) to make Paul say that flesh would be resurrected.<BR/><BR/>Paul thought no such thing. <BR/><BR/>The real Paul wrote in 2 Corinthians 5 that our bodies would be destroyed.<BR/><BR/>The fake Paul wrote in 3 Corinthians 'he arose, body and flesh and soul and spirit'.<BR/><BR/>Who should we believe? The real Paul or the forged Paul?Steven Carrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11983601793874190779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14624038.post-1138360921068149232006-01-27T11:22:00.000+00:002006-01-27T11:22:00.000+00:00Hi - Very thoughtful post. I was wondering if you'...Hi - Very thoughtful post. I was wondering if you'd have any objection to my adding On Earth... the blogroll on my site, www.manchizzle.blogspot.com? I'm trying to put together a really complete manchester area blogroll there.<BR/><BR/>cheers,Kate Feldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05215172535468962913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14624038.post-1137591087783702772006-01-18T13:31:00.000+00:002006-01-18T13:31:00.000+00:00Great Blog Steve,I like the Bonhoffer quote about ...Great Blog Steve,<BR/>I like the Bonhoffer quote about sniffing around in other peoples rubbish...it really is time that we learned to affirm people in some of the things they say/do/beiieve and seek to move on from there!<BR/>Also eating together even if its a quick coffe and a danish put us in a relaxed and non-threatening settingSallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01759963926280667938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14624038.post-1137199855841548832006-01-14T00:50:00.000+00:002006-01-14T00:50:00.000+00:00I would love to have Richard Dawkins round for din...I would love to have Richard Dawkins round for dinner as well, providing he bring his wife, Lalla Ward.<BR/><BR/>She played the lovely Romana in Doctor Who and was once married to Tom Baker.<BR/><BR/>My favourite author, Douglas Adams, was a disciple of Richard Dawkins. Still can't figure out why.<BR/><BR/>Andrew WoodingMike Kazybrid and Andrew Woodinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11380648312218939286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14624038.post-1136976824091956512006-01-11T10:53:00.000+00:002006-01-11T10:53:00.000+00:00Good to see you blogging again - there's much wisd...Good to see you blogging again - there's much wisdom in what you say here.Brodiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17281646240199549001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14624038.post-1136900239021411582006-01-10T13:37:00.000+00:002006-01-10T13:37:00.000+00:00Madeleine Bunting's piece in the Guardian on Dawki...Madeleine Bunting's piece in the Guardian on Dawkins is worth a look. I picked it up here<BR/>http://nouslife.blogspot.com/2006/01/no-wonder-atheists-are-angry-they-seem.html<BR/>I also pointed to the kind of atheism that I think is sustainable in postmodernity, that like John Gray espouses in Straw Dogs.<BR/><BR/>It's interesting to note that atheism is also facing a crisis in relating to pomo and beyond.Andiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03545699854077420349noreply@blogger.com